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  • #984
    Bonbon
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    I’m stewing.  I just returned from the doctor from getting all my pre-op work done for my surgery next Monday.  I see a cardiologist due to having had an cardiac by-pass 15 years ago and I see him quarterly.  Since my quarterly visit was due last Thursday, I asked him to give me a copy of my EKG so I wouldn’t have to have my primary doc have to repeat it. 

    Well, when I gave it to PCP, he said he wanted to do his own so he’ll have a copy in my file. (He HAD the one, only four days old, from the cardiologist.)  Then, he sends the nurse in to complete the other tests and she says she’s going to do an aorta something or other test.  I asked why and she couldn’t tell me so asked the doc.  He said that’s because I have (controlled) high blood pressure and Medicare requires it.  Funny, my cardio doc has never said anything about it. 

    So, my opinion is that this guy is just racking up billable tests to pad his bottom line.  He did the same things last time I was there.  He did some kind of nerve conductivity test (to the tune of $600!) because I had had carpal tunnel surgery 15 years ago.  It’s all a big scam now days but I don’t even know whom to complain to.  The insurance companies don’t care.  They just pay the bills.  The patients don’t care because their insurance pays.  And everybody complains about how high medical bills are.  Grrr….  We, the people have lost control.

    #15468
    DeeLan
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    I totally agree about unnecessary tests being ordered and adding up.

    I tripped over the vacuum cleaner hose a couple of months ago and my toes bent under me as I fell forward.  I thought I broke my big toe so Don (husband) tapped it to the one next to it.  The next day the pain was worse and the arch of my foot as well as the top of my foot was sore and slightly swollen but my big toe was bruised so I still thought it was a toe and nothing could be done.  

    This was on Friday and by Monday I couldn’t walk so I went to the doc.  He did an x-ray in his office and said he didn’t see a fracture but he still thought I had one and ordered a bone scan.  Now, I’m only able to get slipper on and I can’t walk with any weight on that foot, I’m walking on my heel and sliding it across the floor to get around.  Go for the bone scan the next day, Tuesday and it takes until Thursday to get the results.  Arthritic changes OR a stress fracture. I can see a bone doc now or wait and call if it gets worse.  I opted for the bone doc.  

    Get into the bone doc on Monday, it’s now been 1 1/2 weeks since I hurt my foot.  He decides to do another x-ray which was fine with me since I do know it can take a while for fractures to show up on film.  I broke not 1, not 2 but 3 bones and one of the bones had 2 breaks.  

    My question is, why did my doc order a bone scan when all they show are hot spots.  They can’t tell what’s causing the hot spot just that there’s an abnormality and further tests are indicated.  Wouldn’t a CT scan or MRI have been better to see a break.  I can’t even believe my insurance was paying for this. 

     

    #15470
    53tdogs
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    Medical bills are going sky high, the insurance companies are racking up the $$$’s because they aren’t the ones who are going to be hurt in this fiasco…it’s the people.  I had EKG/blood work done for a procedure in April and because the surgeon had to go out of town and my surgery was delayed for over seven days, the tests had to be redone…yet first results turned out outstanding with no problems…it’s all about money, money, money.  I’d rather have good reliable health care but the doctor’s have to cover their collective keisters by ordering all the tests in case some tort lawyer says they didn’t use a big enough bandaid.  I think though that we are going to long for these days of the health care like it is now instead of what’s coming down the pike…i.e., no health care at all after age 50ish or if you have pre-exsisting. 

    Heck, I just picked up a medication that my physician prescribed for me for a slight kidney infection that was giving me a back ache: good grief – there is a four page (no joke) warning sheet that goes with it…can cause seizures, dizzyness, swelling of lips, face, etc., rapid heartbeat, and it goes on and on and on – wonder if the cure is worse than the symptoms.  It’s suppose to be antibiotic, but the side effects of this stuff is scary.  It’s even suppose to be good if you breath anthrax germs when you read in the fine print for goodness sake! What every happened to a simple little antibiotic drug?  When I first read the warnings I was really tempted to call my doctor and say – "ahhhhh how about just plain ol’ cranberry juice instead?"

    Good luck and God bless on your surgery next week!  We all will be waiting for ya to get back on line with us when you are feeling better!

    #15471
    Bonbon
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    I’m afraid we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg and it’s going to get worse, MUCH worse

    #15472
    jasmom
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    I went in for a knot in my upper arm.  Doctor said it was probably an infected duct so gave me a prescription for a $75 antibiotic cream. That didn’t work so I went back and they wrote another prescription for another antibiotic.  That didn’t work so went back and my doctor was out sick and the nurse practitioner I saw could tell I was very aggravated about the whole thing and sent me to a dermatologist  the very same day who took out the cyst in the office and said that there was no way that antibiotics would have done anything.  She didn’t know why they had waited almost a month to send me to see her.

    #15473
    53tdogs
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    I know my doctor is a wonderful physician and when I go see her (for seven years now) – I spend 45 minutes with her, not the five minutes the doctor I saw before her gave me before saying "next!" (I felt like I was on an assembly line with him). 

    My doctor now is in total agreement with us as she says many physicians do not want to give up the relationships and medical well care of their patients to this government health care.  They have no choice in the matter either, it’s either, do what the PTB HC says or be fined – when she told me what the fines were I was shocked!  In that 2,000+ so called health care bill -it says a doctor can be fined for one patient starting out at $18,000!!!! for not handing over medical records and it goes up from there.   I worked for the government 30 years, believe me, I do not want some government bureaucrat knowing if I have a gall bladder or not…that’s between who I decide to share that information with, my doctor and God.

    #15474
    CJ
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    Most insurance requires you do the most simple, inexpensive test first and procede from there to what will really tell you what’s wrong.  The insurance companies are telling the doctor’s what tests to do, in what order.  We need someone to rein in the insurance companies.

    #15475
    DeeLan
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    The "simple little antiobiotic drugs" have all been used to death so they no longer work.  We’ve now got superbugs that need heavy duty toxic drugs to kill them.  That’s another place where healthcare ordered something to death whether we needed it or not.

    I can’t believe how doctors and other providers jack up their prices when you have insurance.  When I wasn’t working and waiting for SSDI my doc saw me every 3 months at my lawyers request.  He charged me $40 each visit.  My husband went to the same doctor for a routine check-up and they billed the insurance over $110. 

    Now that I have insurance I see that they charged over $400 for a test, insurance only approves $120 of it and the provider has to accept that ad I can’t be billed for any amount over that amount.  If they’re willing to accept $120 then why don’t they just bill that amount.  They don’t because some poor guy who doesn’t have a good insurance plan and gets stuck paying the balance will pay and the provider makes more money. 

    My husband was prescribed a new med for psoraisis.  The med cost $500 per bottle.  With our insurance we would be paying $60 BUT the drug company has a program that you can join where the script will only cost $15.  Why charge $500 if they’re willing to take less.  His cardiologist told him there’s 1 med she knows of that’s $10,000 a month.  Who can afford that.  I realize the drug companies want to make back the money they spent on research and testing BEFORE the generics come out but maybe if the government lengthened the length of time for a patent so the generics can’t come out so fast AND force the companies to lower their prices so everyone could afford it they’d still make their money back it would only be slower.

     

    #15476
    DeeLan
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    I was working at a hospital when the HMO’s first came out.  I have several friends who are doctors and one joined the HMO.  They paid them X amount of $ to care for a patient and if they spent that amount it was fine but if they spent less they got a bonus from the HMO.  They also got a bonus for keeping patients out of the hospital so they usually just prescribed medication and didn’t order tests when indicated. 

    A hospital got paid for diagnosis.  If you came in with pneumonia they had a set amount they’d give the hospital and they could do what they wanted within certain guidelines to test and treat you.  If it cost less for your care the hospital kept the extra.  If, heaven forbid, you developed something else while you were in the hospital the insurance wouldn’t pay to treat that because you were already being paid for the pneumonia without a lot of red tape.

    I lived in Chicago and Michael Reese Hospital was one of the first HMO’s which later became Advocate and is now Humana.  The original plan was The Michael Reese Health Plan but those at hospitals called it The Michael Reese Death Plan.  One of our first in patients who was on that plan came in with flu like symptoms.  She’d been to her doctor several times over the course of a week for various symptoms that kept getting worse and each time she was prescribed antibiotics and told to go home and rest.  Her husband had to call an ambulance to bring her in and she coded and died within 3 hours of being admitted.  One of the on-call docs that evening was appalled.  One blood test showed she had Toxic Shock Syndrome and if her doctor had been treating the patient rather than watching where the money went she would still be alive. 

    I do think doctors order too many unnecessary tests but I’m not sure it’s really to run the bills up since the doctors don’t gt paid for tests done at a hospital or clinic, only if they’re done in their office.  

    The reason doctors order them is because people have gotten to quick to file malpractice suits. Doctors want to cover all the bases, even the unnecessary ones to cover their butts.  As long as the system allows malpractice suits for the littlest things and blames the doctors if something that’s a complication happens there will be unnecessary tests.  I’m sure we’ve all seen the commercials for a law firm that tells you it’s your doctors fault if your child is born with problems or special needs.  You know sometimes those things are a fluke of nature and no doctor could have prevented them from happening but there are law firms who thrive on getting people to sue if they don’t have a perfect baby.  You smoked for 50 years and develop lung cancer, well let’s sue the tobacco companies because they made the cigarettes BUT they didn’t put those things in your hands and force you to smoke.   No, I’m not a smoker and never have been.  I hate smoking of any kind and have seen the effects smoking can have on a person but it’s not the tobacco company’s fault, it’s the smoker’s fault.

    Sorry, I’m going off on a tangent here. 

    #15477
    Bonbon
    Participant

    While I was waiting to see the doctor, the nurse gave me a form to fill out.  It was an incontinence questionairre.  I do not have any problems in that area nor have I ever and have never even mentioned anything about it to him.   I asked what it was for.  She said the doctor just wanted to have it in my records.  Huh???  There is no earthly reason for him to ask me those questions.  I’ll bet you any money he has some kind of "scheme" he’s foisting off on us old ladies (usually the ones with this problem).  But since I answered no to everything, I’ll probably not find out.

    You know, my son used to tell me how horrible the doctors in South Florida were but I pooh-poohed him because I didn’t see how just being in a certain area would affect health care.  Well, I moved here and, guess what, he was 100% right.  I always had excellent medical care in California.  Here, even the hospitals are horrible.  When I was in for my last perforated ulcer I wanted to get out of there so bad.  I can’t even begin to list the horrible things I had to endure there.

    And, DeeLan, all the tests he had me do yesterday were done in his office so I still feel they were to pad HIS pockets, not anything to do with my health care.

    And, boy, don’t get me started on HMOs.  I had two very good friends die at Kaiser Hospital in California and I am totally convinced it was because of the HMO system.  One was diagnosed with breast cancer but she could not be admitted for six weeks for treatment.  The other one was similar to the one you quoted where she was diddled around with, finally was admitted, and ultimately died…of…TOXIC SHOCK!  The warning there was, "don’t get sick at the end of the month because the doctors have usually run out of diagnostic credits by then."

    The whole system is flawed.  I would put the insurance companies on the top of the list5, then the doctors, then the lawyers.  It’s a viscious circle and nothing will improve until one of those links are broken but none of them will give so it’s us patients who have to suffer.  And God forbid, they force this socialized health care on us.  Then we’ll REALLY be in trouble.

    Yeah, I go off on a tangent too…as you can see.

    #15482
    DeeLan
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    According to my SIL military doctors are even worse than HMO’s.   Her husband was in the air force for years, full retirement.  They lived on base most of that time and she was having some female problems.  It took over a year or military docs and they found nothing, went to a non military doc and she was diagnosed with cervical cancer.  She had a hysterectomy and thankfully she’s a survivor, over 10 years now but still scary.

    We have a blood disroder in our family, Spherocytosis.  The RBC’s are irregular shape, fragile and break down in the spleen which leads to anemia and at times hemolytic crisis.  One of the treatments is removing the spleen.  The blood is still odd and fragile but no longer breaking down so the anemia is gone.  Many in my family have had their spleens removed for this and a cousin a couple of years older than I was had his removed around 6 months of age.  He was in the navy for years and during one of his many physicals during his career a navy doc asked him about his scar. He told him about the blood and spleenectomy and the doctor argued with him that they don’t remove your spleen for that. 

    I guess that’s an inside look at healthcare when the government controls the doc’s

     

    #15484
    Bonbon
    Participant

    I thought the care we got was excellent, mostly prenatal and delivery and a short time of pediatrics.  My son is now receiving military medical care through the VA and he’s also very happy with it.  BUT…I’ve heard quite the contrary also.  My opinion is, if you are a doctor and could make a good living in private practice, why would you be happy to work for peanuts in the military?  (Same thing with an HMO where you work for a salary.  To me it’s like they are too lazy to go out and establish a practice and run it on their own.  It’s easier to just work for someone else.  I’m sure there are exceptions but IJMO anyway.

    #15486
    Patti
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     for years; passage of current Health Care Reform simply opened the door and welcomed him in.  Talk about a Pandora’s Box …. this is the worst one yet. 

    #15488
    DeeLan
    Participant

    Not being able to make a practice on his own is the reason my friend joined the HMO.  When he first started out he joined a Pulmonary Medicine practice with 2 existing doctors.  He was newly married and his wife talked him into starting his own practice.  Then she wanted a house, not an existing one but she wanted one built.  In his own practice he took ER call for any doc that didn’t want it hoping to get new patient’s that way but they were mostly Public Aid and he didn’t make any money.  As a last resort he joined the HMO to be able to give his wife the lifestyle she wanted.   Granted he had more patients and a steady income but he was part of a practice again and couldn’t practice medicine the way he wanted.

    #15489
    53tdogs
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    and scary too.  I used to have an HMO ten years ago, but then they (CALPERS), decided we were "rural", even though there are 100,000 people in the town and more in the little surrounding bergs, and we are 25 miles from the capital. which is pretty big.  So they put us on a PPO, cranked up the premiums per year, increased the prescription costs  – (doubled of what it cost HMO folks just 25 miles a way), tacked on an annual $500 per family member deductable, increased the doctor’s office visit payments by 75%…they said but you don’t have to be referred by your physician to a specialist….let me tell you something, every specialist wants a referral from your primary care physician – they will not see you at all with out a referral.  I’m more worried every day when I see this kind of stuff that you guys have bee writing about and what is coming…

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