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I’m sorry, I am in no way whatsoever homophobic but I do not like to see them kissing/in bed/involved in sex. I’ve said this before, I think if the actors were gay in real life it wouldn’t bother me but, for some reason, I find this very distasteful.
Okay, TFlo, let me have it.
How do you know they are not gay? But really, an actor plays a part, usually not what they are like in real life.
It’s like saying that Brady should really be an alcoholic, or all the women in Salem are of loose morals!!
IT’s actin.
admitting it once they decide to reveal the truth, or come out so to speak. Both Freddie Smith and Guy Wilson are straight men playing a role, according to their own admission, and I have no reason to think they are lying about it. I always thought if a straight actor could convincingly portray a gay relationship, that perhaps they were bi-sexual; however, both of these men claim to be straight. I have no opinion, one way or the other, about watching them on screen, though. I think they are both doing a very convincing job. What I do find distasteful is bearing derogatory comments or disparaging remarks about seeing two fine actors doing their jobs, whether it’s to someone’s personal taste or not. Chandler Massey is also a straight man who did a fine job portraying a gay man. Now, there are also a lot of gay/lesbian actors, especially those who work on soaps, playing straight men/women and engage in explicitly sexual scenes. There was a whole list of them on another board a while back, and I was surprised to see some of the names, I must admit. However, I have to wonder if that is as bothersome to some who simply do not wish to see two men or two women kissing or making out.
For seeing it for what it is – a part in a soap.
For anyone who has to "fast forward" – I’m sorry, it’s homophobic. I don’t care you spin it, say it, justify it by saying you have "gay friends or family." It’s homophobic. I’m a gay man – I am a man who loves men. There is not one part of me that feels the need to fast forward through Sami and EJ (or any other couple on DOOL) while they become intimate in a bedroom scene. I’m gay and I have no issues watching straight people doing that on a show or even in real life. Do I want to participate? No (well maybe just EJ) but in general – no. So if you’re straight why can’t you sit through a gay bedroom scene?! No one is asking you to watch Sonny bend Will over. I can see not wanting to see that. I certainly don’t want to see Sami’s vagina.
I have to ask – when you see Neil Patrick Harris playing a womanizer on How I Met Your Mother is that okay? He’s a gay man playing a straight man. When you saw Cynthia Nixon playing Miranda on Sex and the City was that okay for you as well? Is gay playing straight acceptable?
And to say "Well if Freddie was gay in real life it would be different." Why? Why would it be different? He’s an ACTOR playing a role. You are not signing up to watch real life – DOOL is fiction. If Freddie was gay in real life and if Guy was gay in real life would you Fast Forward? I can’t see how knowing either or both is gay in real life makes it any different. Unless of course you cannot separate fact from fiction.
that different people have different feelings about things. You ask me why I feel that way. I don’t know. Why do some people like lemon pie and others hate it? Why are some democrat and others republican? Why are some right-handed and some left-handed? You get my drift? As far as watching a gay male with a straight female, no, that doesn’t bother me because they are not the same sex. Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with this, I am, and always have been from the time I understood what it was, fully accepting of homosexuality. But I do find it distasteful watching two same sex “straight” people in sexual situations. I can understand how you feel about this because I don’t get one bit how people can be so against homosexuality when it is the most natural thing in the world (I mean, just look how many there are). They probably can’t explain why they feel that way either.
FWIW, I’m not a big fan of any of the “bedroom scenes” no matter who is in it. Very few actors can pull it off convincingly. (I always cringed when Brady and Kristin were in bed.) I just feel that the actors are very uncomfortable with those scenes as many, many of them have admitted to in interviews. I don’t know, maybe that’s the problem with these two guys, it comes across to me that they are so uncomfortable. Not just the little pecks, pats and hugs. I don’t mind them either, just the more passionate stuff.
And I will agree that those guys are absolutely doing a great job in their roles because I am totally and entirely convinced these two characters are deeply in love with each other. Probably more so than any other pair on this show.
TFlo, let me say that I always enjoy your posts, most of your views and opinions and even your disagreements with me, BUT, when we get on this subject, I sometimes think you are trying too hard to defend yourself and you really don’t need to do that with me. I have found that most gay guys (and I think a lot of women will agree with me) are some of the funniest, sensitive and caring people there are. I recently lost a very dear friend of mine who was gay. So, just let me be with my own little “phobia” (because I really don’t have many, other than spiders) okay?
Sorry, I really didn’t intend to write a book here. I’d just like you to be able to accept that I have different likes than you and that doesn’t make me homophobic, hypocritical, insincere or anything else, it’s just me and who I am, whether you agree or disagree with me.
I ff through all sex scenes. I have no problem with kissing scenes, but even when Sami and EJ do the Nast, or anyone else for that matter, I ff. it just seems a bit too voyeuristic to me. Now I sound like a prude, and I’m not, but sex scenes are like borderline porn to me.
I replied b/c you baited me too do so with your "let me have it TFlo." What is comes down to is this – what you think it irrelevent to me specifically as you don’t know me nor do I care about you or what you think (not being offensive but i really don’t know you LOL.)
If you FF through all of the bedroom scenes that’s different. And I too agree with you – most of the actors looks like they don’t want to do it OR are not comfortable doing it. That to me makes total sense.
But when you compare why some like lemon pie and some are democrats… well, that’s just an absurd comparison and I think you know it. Whether you like to see two men in bed vs. not enjoying lemon pie is NOT a fair connection. Now if you say you don’t like seeing two men in bed is the same as not enjoying seeing two black people kiss – well, that’s a fair comparison. And that would be racist. And for the record being left handed or right handed was you really grabbing at straws.
I think it’s lovely that you had a dear gay friend and I’m sorry he passed away…. but you are fooling yourself if you are thinking that you’re not homophobic. And you sort of admitted that by saying you have a "phobia."
And for the record, saying that gays are the some of the sweetest and funniest is a stereotype. Though I know you meant it as a compliment that is what it is. Just wanted to put that out there…
as for me, comes from a faith perspective. As a Catholic I follow the Church’s teaching about homosexuality. Meaning the physical act. It might seem a tough road to remain abstinent but otherwise I agree the stereotypes are blatantly unfair. And several of my dearest friends are gay and I do not consider myself homophobic. I think if I truly were I would not associate with them. I am generally uncomfortable with most of the bedroom scenes, gay or straight.
I’m Catholic – fully recovered. What I mean by that is that I was born into a Catholic family, baptized Communion etc…. I don’t believe a lot of what the Church preaches or says and I have a hard time buying into a book that was written a baziliion years ago (and for what it’s worth – we don’t even know where it all stemmed from.) I do however have faith and believe in God and find myself in the church every once in a while – mainly b/c I don’t need to be there to pray but sometimes I like to feel "close" to God if that makes sense. Plus – I donate some funds b/c I like to think it goes to good use.
But when I see these so called Christians saying "God hates fags" – well, that is not God’s word now is it? God doesn’t hate or punish anyone. Homosexuality being a sin, according to the bible, is up for debate. There’s a lot in that book that is up for debate. But that’s not for this board.
I appreciate you being clear and honest about your post though – YOUR post was smart and well thought out. And believe me, as a gay man I appreciate it.
I am not trying to cause controversy, however the Catholic Church has just as many teachng about pre-marital sex, adultery, sex outside of marriage, divorce and remarriage, and living together without marriage. So, the church would probably say watching DOOL is somewhat against the Church’s teaching, especially as Days always includes the church in the storyline.
That said, nowadays, most Catholics pick and choose what they want to believe and what teaching they wish to follow.
I, too, often FF through the bedroom scenes, just cause I am more interested to the SL action than the romp in the hay. (For example all of EJ and Abby’s scenes).
I also think that for some older people, it might be awkward to see things that for so long has been told is wrong. I wouldn’t want to se Maggie and Victor in bed either, although I am sure they have their moments!!
I was going to ask people like Bon how old they are – but that’s rude right? Not to say some older people all think the same – I’m sure that’s not the case. However, homosexuality seems to be a huge issue for a lot of older folks AND for people who live in the South and/or very rural areas. The "older" part obviously has to do with habit. The south/rural people are all a reflection of what their parents think and what their parents think. It’s all "taught."
I have family in different parts of the country and people around the same age have very different views. I also have a step father in his 60s and as much as I know he loves me he thinks that I became gay vs. being born gay. I don’t hold his ignorance against him b/c he’s been "taught" that is factual vs. opening his mind to the fact that what he was "taught" isn’t actually factual.
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