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March 4, 2013 at 7:17 pm #4080PattiParticipant
I have never been so disappointed in a show as I was for today’s. Every single character, from E.J. and Sami on down the line, every storyline today was either disappointing or boring. I am sick to death of Dannifer and Chloe, down to the baby storyline and Will’s insistence on being an immature, yes, I’ll say it, unfit parent to this baby. I would fight like a wild animal if anyone dared to try and do that to me as a parent, but Will is so submissive and so immature, a child his self in many ways, and I’m so over him. Blake Berris plays this role like the pro he is; yes, Nick deserves the worst possible fate that will be coming his way, but Blake is superb in this role and has been from the start.
So disappointed in E.J. today, as well as Sami and Lucas, although Sami is the only one right in this whole thing and I can only hope now that she gets her revenge, in true E.J./Sami style, and Will winds up feeling like the ass he is.
Boring Abbey and Cameron scenes I could have really done without, simply because all of this good little girl persona she’s trying to pull off would be fine if I didn’t have vivid memories of her scenes straddling Austin, a married man, in her underwear not that very long ago.
The only person I could stand even a little bit today was Sonny. Everything else I hated with the heat of a thousand suns.
March 4, 2013 at 8:38 pm #38308TimParticipantI was actually thinking Will was the only adult in the entire situation, the only one with any pure thoughts for the baby, willing to sacrafice himself for the baby. The only reason he didn’t was to spare other familiy members from legal trouble. I don’t see how not fighting can be viewed as immature.
March 4, 2013 at 9:30 pm #38310loritrollParticipantI too think Will is coming from an honest place. He’s misguided and wrong for not standing up for his rights, but he’s doing what he thinks is best for everyone else. He’s needs more self-esteem to know that what HE wants is worth fighting for. He’s always worried about the other person. I loved seeing EJ finally stand up against Nick. I’ve been waiting for him to do that for days! He hasn’t had his usual fire lately, so it was good to see that was still in him somewhere. Sonny, though, was my favorite. He, to me, is the only one that clearly sees what’s happening here with Nick. I really love how this is playing out. Good acting all around and it’s making for some great tv!
March 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm #38311justwonderingParticipantI too feel that Will, although misguided, has pure intentions. Based on the terrible childhood he endured, he is trying to spare his daughter the constant split time between parents. I also feel that Will believes that it would be easier for his daughter to be raised in one house with 2 loving parents, instead of going back and forth to a house with a different lifestyle.
What I don’t agree with is all these other adults witnessing what amounts to blackmail and not do anything about it. At the very least , Will signed under duress, which makes the document illegal. I do not see how the notary could attest that this was done willingly.
Finally, the document should be reviewed by a custody lawyer, such as Justin. There is nothing to stop Will to take it back. Gabby should be told about this immediately.
March 5, 2013 at 12:21 am #38312BonbonParticipantis attest to the fact that, indeed, the person he witnessed signing it is that person…that’s all.
March 5, 2013 at 12:41 am #38313MoGirlParticipantI loved it when EJ got into Nick’s face…..that was the old EJ. I think Will being a child of Sami’s has to be one confused person . Can you imagine a life like his and all the different times Sami was with a different husband ? Her kids have to be mixed up.
Jennifer totally turns me off. I am not sure why any one would want to be around her whinning ways. Her demands aren’t even realistic about Daniel and Chloe not seeing each other.
As much as I thought I would hate Rafe and Kate I don’t at all.
March 5, 2013 at 12:54 am #38314jesigirl22ParticipantOne of the things that a Notary does make sure the person signing is who he/she claims to be. Also to see that the person signing is doing it willingly. If we as Notaries Public believe that a person is signing under duress, is not signig on his/her own, or is not sure what they are signing, we can and should stop the signing.
I have not watched the episode yet, so I am not sure exactly how this went. Will watch it this evening and see what happens.
March 5, 2013 at 8:59 am #38316BonbonParticipantI was a notary in California and the only responsibility I had was to make sure the person could identify themselves with a driver’s license or passport and that they sign whatever it is in front of me. Even if someone was holding a gun to their head, it was not up to me to refuse nor was it my responsibility to know what they were signing or why.
I think this is a no-win situation. It would be heartbreaking to lose a child, yet Will is certainly not in any position to be a father. I can’t imagine him trying to raise one when he is so messed up.
On the other hand, what Nick is doing is dispicable, especially they way he is going about it. It’ll be interesting to see where this is going.
March 5, 2013 at 2:26 pm #38318justwonderingParticipantFound this on a web site pertaining to Florida law:
- When they cannot verify identity or the identification is not acceptable, or when they donot personally know the signer(s)
- Signer(s) is not present (in person) even if the person with the document swears the signer did sign it
- Signer(s) is an immediate family member: spouse, son, daughter, mother or father
- Signer(s) appears to be coerced, under duress
I stopped when I found the part I referred to.
March 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm #38320PattiParticipantthe very same article, only I was going to post ALL of the reasons why a notary not only COULD but SHOULD refuse to sign. I was a Maryland notary for many years, before I retired. I can remember several instances where I refused to notarize a document, all within the notary laws in and for the State of Maryland.
March 5, 2013 at 2:57 pm #38325luckeyParticipantrecall the training session provided by a local county judge where he said we are allowed to refuse to witness a signature if we have any doubts regarding any of the circumstances surrounding the signing. First and foremost, we are to ascertain the signee is who they say they are. If the notary decides that all is in proper order, witnessing may take place. If it is otherwise determined, then a notary may decline to witness.
March 5, 2013 at 8:30 pm #38339BonbonParticipantYou are under no obligation ever to use your seal because ultimately you are responsible that you guaranteed that signature. I’m just saying that it’s not up to the notary to decide anything other that the person is who he says he is because you are not guaranteeing it was not under duress or illegal or anything else.
March 6, 2013 at 12:43 am #38352luckeyParticipantA person would have to be a lawyer and a notary to have the expertise to determine the legality of a document as well as witnessing a signature.
March 6, 2013 at 1:12 am #38354jesigirl22ParticipantThe one thing I noticed from the "notary" is that he did not even check to see who he was witnessing. Maybe that was supposed to have occured off camera. I did notice him putting an emobsser away. Kind of funny, since in PA we don’t even have to use one. We don’t need to know what is in the document to be signed, we need to make sure of the identity of the person and that they are signing willingly. But if I were the notary in this situation (being a notary for almost 10 years) I would have packed my bags and left: the tension in that room was so thick that I would suspect that someone was not signing the document willingly. Even the way Will hesitated to actually sign, would make ME hesitate to put my stamp on the document. Also, he (the notary) was watching from across the room, through several people! The notary should have been closer to Will to watch him sign. Granted I do more refinance loan closings then custody documents, the principal is still the same: all parties involved need to be truly willing to sign documents. Sorry if I repeated myself, but I do feel strongly about this kind of thing.
But this is Days and we need to suspend our belief and knowledge in what is truly right and wrong.
March 6, 2013 at 2:40 am #38356majencoParticipantAs far as I can tell there is no way it can be proven that Hope or Roman did anything wrong. Lucas confessed. Police are accused of sloppy investigations all the time and they never go to jail. Lucas is part of Hope’s family and she let him go to jail so why wouldn’t she let Will? Makes no sense, so Will isn’t helping Hope or Roman by signing over custody, as far as perjury goes, I doubt Lucas would do much if any time for that either. There really isn’t anything stopping Will from turning himself in and still having a relationship with his daughter when he gets out of jail. The whole thing is stupid.
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