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Surprisingly, I disagree with you in that, IMO, you’re being far too analytical where Nicole is Concerned. So, she’s had a tormented childhood that has since caused her to be untrustworthy where men are concerned. However, she knows exactly where Victor is coming from. She knows he’s right as rain. Nicole has no problems getting what she wants when she wants it, and her conscience remains clear when she gets it. She had no problem reeling in Rafe or Daniel when she figured out they were the perfect alibi’s for her scheme against E.J., and could serve her purpose well (in or out of the bedroom) and they both fell for her plan like the good little lap dogs they are. Even E.J. tried countless times to get her back, to no avail, who by now knows her as well as both Victor and Stefano. Just before her split with E.J. she had no problems maintaining her villainous, scheming activities when she was with E.J., in her capacity as not only his wife, but his campaign manager. She played down and dirty to the core — one could almost say "with the best of them" (Victor and Stefano). If it’s one thing Nicole knows how to do, it’s how to be a con artist. Remember her story with poor little Mia when Nikki convinced the kid to give up her and Chad’s baby, paying her off so Mia could go Japan or someplace to be a dancer?. We all know how that turned out; after she got what she wanted she "traded" the child (Grace) by switching it for Sami’s baby (Sydney), conspiring with the evil Dr. Baker? So, whenever I hear people think of her as poor, misguided, abused Nicole …. no wonder she does the things she does;" I have to say, "HEY, ARE YOU WATCHING WHO I’M WATCHING?" (LOL). We certainly are not seeing the Nicole Walker Kiriakis Dimera that I know. AND, that’s the one I want back; that’s the one I want to see return. Her and Sami both need to pack up the wings and halos they’re both trying to wear and throw them into the Salem River and give me back my two bad girls I loved. Neither one of them were meant to be angels. Victor knows what he’s talking about, and why hide it from Daniel or hold back saying it in front of Maggie and Nicole? Maggie’s only been Daniel’s mother for 6 months; Victor has been his godfather his whole life. Daniel better listen to the Don.
All that being said, BrandyRose, I HIGHLY respect your posts, though. You are great for this board …. and that’s MY opinion.
You are right, too! Thank you for bringing me back down to earth, LOL. I am, indeed, way to lenient on Nicole and am always looking for hints that she is being redeemed.
What convinces me that Nicole will always be bad, is your reminder about Nicole and Sami: that "neither one of them were meant to be angels." Great point, and well taken! That was the key sentence, for me.
I respect your posts, also, Patti and enjoy them a lot. So, who better to wake me up, than you, lol?
Okay, now that I realize that Nicole and Sami weren’t meant to be angels, I can accept it. It will probably help me see them as eternal bad girls on the show, and to not get so upset when they are at their worst.
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that would be so wrong of me, since we are all entitled to our own. I was merely pointing out some reasons why I was disagreeing with yours …. that’s all. I especially respect and enjoy your posts a lot as well. So, please keep putting your thoughts out there, because more times than not I agree with you.
And what would this forum be if we didn’t disagree all the time, right?
Nicole hasn’t "reeled in" either Rafe or Daniel. Rafe volunteered pretending to be the baby’s father. And the relationship with Daniel was originally intended for both of them to be nothing more than friends with benefits. But I think now it has grown into something more.
Yes, Nicole has always been the bad girl and I’d never dispute that, but since she’s been pregnant, you have to admit she has toned down her former ways considerably. And I STILL think Victor was way out of line with his comments, what he said and where he said them.
Maggie realized that no matter who Nicole is or has been, she’s been helping Daniel get through this trauma of his daughter missing and she appreciates that. Something that Victor just can’t see.
sweet. Thank you very much for posting back. I know for a fact that you weren’t trying to sway me about Nicole and Sami.
You merely gave your own opinion and stated the facts in a very nice way; and it was helpful.
I appreciate all of you guys here. I feel so lucky. It is very hard to find a peaceful forum like this. Actually, I didn’t think one existed!
If I ever accidentally offend, please let me know, and I will kick myself around the block.
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about this forum. I came from one that was probably about as nasty and dispicable as you could get. I didn’t want to leave because I had been there from the beginning and made a lot of good friends on there. (I think I’ve mentioned about us meeting up in San Francisco, Las Vegas, and Orlando.)
Anyway, I just found this one by accident, oh, probably about three years ago, and it is so pleasant with such nice people. Patti and I go a couple of rounds every once in a while but we are always decent and respectful of each other.
I’m sure I speak for everybody that you are a welcome addition here.
Bonbon, thank you for sharing your experiences about other boards. I just want to say that YOU and PATTI have been a JOY to me on this forum. You two seem to have a great back-and-forth dynamic, where you can be respectful of one another’s opinions. It’s great to see! The two of you have stood out as a wonderful example for this site, and you have been great to me.
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I have enjoyed your posts too Brandyrose….so I hope you decide to stay as well. 53tdogs is also a very good friend of mine too, along with Patti and Bonbon and many many more on Salemplace. We’re a family here. So I hope you’ll stay and be a part of our family!
to tell Daniel who he can and cannot see. Daniel’s a big boy and can decide for himself. However, in my mind, there was no reason for Victor to say behind Nicole’s back what he wanted to say to Daniel because he’s said those very words to Nicole’s face more than once. It was nothing she hasn’t already heard from Victor’s lips…and Nicole is very aware of who and what she is and has been. JMO
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